Conformity, Autism & Success: The Rules Society Never Taught You

In this powerful conversation, autistic therapist and author Jessica Penot, LPC-S, opens up about masking, conformity, and what it really means to thrive as an autistic adult. Jessica Penot, LPC-S is the founder of Tree of Life Behavioral Health and the Neuroaffirmative Autism Resource Center, as well as the author of “The Unmasking Workbook for Autistic Adults.” She breaks down the hidden “taxes of conformity” that autistic people pay every day, the serious mental health toll of masking, and the eye-opening “double empathy problem” that reframes how we think about autistic and neurotypical communication.

Whether you’re autistic, love someone who is, or you’re an employer looking to build a more inclusive workplace, this episode offers practical, neuroaffirming insight into unmasking, self-acceptance, and creating environments where autistic people can genuinely flourish. Learn why so many brilliant autistic adults are pushed out of the workforce, how small accommodations unlock hidden talent, and why “being your weird self” might be the most healing thing you can do.

What You’ll Get From This Video

A candid, neuroaffirming conversation that unpacks the real cost of masking, the “taxes of conformity,” and the double empathy problem—giving you a clearer understanding of the autistic experience. You’ll walk away with practical insight for autistic adults on unmasking and finding support, actionable guidance for employers on unlocking hidden talent, and a fresh perspective on why embracing your authentic self is the key to real wellbeing and success.

What You’ll Learn

What the hidden “taxes of conformity” are—and why autistic adults pay them every day

How masking impacts mental health, energy, and long-term wellbeing

The double empathy problem and why communication gaps go both ways

Why “fitting in” is so tied to success—and how to redefine success on your own terms

How employers can unlock hidden autistic talent with simple accommodations

Why the traditional 9–5 and open-office model fails neurodivergent employees

Practical steps for autistic adults to find the right support and start unmasking

Why embracing your authentic “weird self” can be the most healing choice of all

Chapters

0:00 – Intro: The Hidden “Taxes of Conformity”

0:52 – Why Fitting In Determines Success in Life

2:13 – An Autistic Perspective: Wanting to Belong Without the “Code”

3:24 – The Double Empathy Problem Explained

5:17 – Learning to Accept Our Differences

6:09 – Lessons for Employers: Adaptability & Hidden Strengths

7:46 – Rethinking the 9–5 and Open Office Myth

8:51 – Advice for Adults: Finding the Right Support

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